Elliott Dawson – Next steps from DCW roundtables-20220609

Elliott Dawson - Next steps from DCW roundtables-20220609

Post DCW Feedback

Elliott Dawson

Elliott Dawson - Next steps from DCW roundtables-20220609

Elliott Dawson thinks DCW was good, but probably a bit rushed. Whilst it was clear what detail was being looked for it would be better for things to be looked at in isolation and then amalgamated together to get the desired effect. There was some cross-purpose talk sometimes and the venue was noisy. There were positive outcomes. Certain people at the (Manufacturing) table were pushing their own agenda - they looked at just one avenue rather than looking at the actual effect to the building and the golden thread principle for the entire package, they were pushing their own products.

For Elliot, it’s about data capture for the entire building, you need to encapsulate all the different golden threads and then have a ‘building envelope’ golden thread. In other projects he’s working on he concentrates on education rather than pushing the brand. It’s about accountability hot productivity - how have you captured that information from the point of inception to the point of delivery to ensure that it is exactly as it was tested? The day-to-day process needs to be captured and audited, not the one-offs. As RICHARD says, it’s about an ‘ongoing standard’.

Regarding door data systems, Elliot’s company has committed to paying for every part of the process to ensure that its adhered to for the first year of the products life cycle. The end user can then pay for the maintenance thereafter. To do this he uses JIM format and tags the doors which have all relevant data about the door - date of manufacture/where it was made/when landed in the UK/current size etc. The size is relevant as the door may fail if it has been trimmed too much. It ensures accountability throughout the process from the building of the door through to the maintenance.

Some people are reluctant to share product information, but Elliot doesn’t see why that would be the case. He’s currently working on refining the product, possibly adding an electronic closer. GEORGE asks to be put in touch with Dormer and Rutland, companies who Elliot has been testing door closers with. A concealed closer, put in by the fabricator, cannot be taken out.

GEORGE talks about doing a DCW-like exercise on Teams…Stephen Coppin told him that building control is going national, it’s moving from local authorities into the HSE. GEORGE is going to run the RACI again, on fire doors, walls and (perhaps) penetration seals with the idea of looking at it as compartments rather than just the door itself.

GEORGE says in order to get the simple answers that everyone needs its essential to frame the questions so that the question can be adequately explicit e.g. the width of the door. Elliot says there is often confusion about frame size. The overall size of the door isn’t an issue as such, what’s important is the initial size of the door compared to how much it has now been trimmed. Too much trimming may cause the door to be ‘out of tolerance’.

ELLIOT wants his fabricators to upload their software data onto the JIM system so there will be a full data sheet. If a specific door tag has been shipped to them and they try to attach that reference to an overall door size that is out of scope then it will cause a red flag. From a maintenance perspective you just need the standard and that’s why the golden thread needs to be captured.

GEORGE and ELLIOT talk about whether the information will be available in a machine readable form…

GEORGE talks about the door - there is the door itself, the weight of the door is important, and the wall itself. ELLIOT disagrees that the weight of the door is an issue, it can only relate to the substructure it’s fitted into. But GEORGE says that doors are often fitted into walls when it's the wrong type of wall. Circumstances need to be identified where these things need to be checked.

GEORGE wants to turn the parameters about doors from the issued data sheet into questions because if parameters can be standardised as a question it can then be mapped to an answer. ELLIOT is going to have a look at it. He thinks it would be interesting to put educators that are manufacturers with property owners/architects. George says this will definitely happen.